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Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - SoD Woods - 26 Oct 2015

I've done this mainly so that Kit's Thoughts thread can get back on course to where it needs to be, but also because I think this is also an interesting topic to talk about as well. Basically, I see two sides here. One is saying that Christianity should not be brought into everything, the other that it should, and all those who are Christian can do no wrong. I see equal fault in both sides, and so will begin an argument of my own.

Before I begin, I will inform you that I am a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic, politically US Conservative. That should give you a pretty good idea of where I'm coming from.

First, I will refute the argument that Christianity doesn't need to be brought into everything. On the contrary, it should, but perhaps not explicitly. I must admit, I do occasionally get annoyed by Markus as well. Christianity is, like most religions, not only a system of belief but a system of life. Everything a good Christian does should be done with Christ in mind. We, as Christians, should all aspire to be as like Christ as possible. For did he not say, "Be perfect as my Father in heaven is perfect?" Every word we utter, every act we do, should be done with this in mind: I am a Christian, and what I do will be seen, and people will make general statements about me. So if Markus is bringing religion explicitly into everything, perhaps it's because he might not know how to do it implicitly, as I try to do.

Now, then, we are all fallen human beings. It all started with Adam and Eve, and sin has been our constant companion since. I know of many instances where people who call themselves Christian have acted in very un-Christian ways. And then, because people see that, they assume that that's how Christianity is. If I get really angry at Ned or Adam Belcher or Kit for being an atheist, people will think that all Christians get mad at all atheists. It's ridiculous, I know, but as has already been proven, it happens very easily. Just because someone calls themselves Christian, unfortunately does not mean that they will act in a Christian way.

Conversely, I also know many very intelligent, intellectual, and honorable atheists, not a few of whom are on this forum. If they have chosen atheism, that is their choice, and if they don't want to hear about Christianity explicitly in everything, I will respect their wishes, and not bring Christianity explicitly into everything. I will continue to do it implicitly. ;)

I have a feeling I'm going to get as annoying as Markus now.

One more thing. A wise man once said, "Never assume. It only makes an ass out of u and me."


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Austenasia - 26 Oct 2015

I don't think there's anything you've just said that I disagree with.


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Archmidias - 26 Oct 2015

(26 Oct 2015, 18:01:05)SoD Woods Wrote: I've done this mainly so that Kit's Thoughts thread can get back on course to where it needs to be, but also because I think this is also an interesting topic to talk about as well. Basically, I see two sides here. One is saying that Christianity should not be brought into everything, the other that it should, and all those who are Christian can do no wrong. I see equal fault in both sides, and so will begin an argument of my own.

Before I begin, I will inform you that I am a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic, politically US Conservative. That should give you a pretty good idea of where I'm coming from.

First, I will refute the argument that Christianity doesn't need to be brought into everything. On the contrary, it should, but perhaps not explicitly. I must admit, I do occasionally get annoyed by Markus as well. Christianity is, like most religions, not only a system of belief but a system of life. Everything a good Christian does should be done with Christ in mind. We, as Christians, should all aspire to be as like Christ as possible. For did he not say, "Be perfect as my Father in heaven is perfect?" Every word we utter, every act we do, should be done with this in mind: I am a Christian, and what I do will be seen, and people will make general statements about me. So if Markus is bringing religion explicitly into everything, perhaps it's because he might not know how to do it implicitly, as I try to do.

Now, then, we are all fallen human beings. It all started with Adam and Eve, and sin has been our constant companion since. I know of many instances where people who call themselves Christian have acted in very un-Christian ways. And then, because people see that, they assume that that's how Christianity is. If I get really angry at Ned or Adam Belcher or Kit for being an atheist, people will think that all Christians get mad at all atheists. It's ridiculous, I know, but as has already been proven, it happens very easily. Just because someone calls themselves Christian, unfortunately does not mean that they will act in a Christian way.

Conversely, I also know many very intelligent, intellectual, and honorable atheists, not a few of whom are on this forum. If they have chosen atheism, that is their choice, and if they don't want to hear about Christianity explicitly in everything, I will respect their wishes, and not bring Christianity explicitly into everything. I will continue to do it implicitly. ;)

I have a feeling I'm going to get as annoying as Markus now.

One more thing. A wise man once said, "Never assume. It only makes an ass out of u and me."
How do you reconcile being a Christian and a conservative?


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - President Kit McCarthy - 26 Oct 2015

(26 Oct 2015, 20:46:49)Archmidias Wrote:
(26 Oct 2015, 18:01:05)SoD Woods Wrote: [...]
How do you reconcile being a Christian and a conservative?

The two are hardly incompatible.


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Austenasia - 26 Oct 2015

I suppose it depends on what is meant by "conservative". That word can mean very different things to many different people.


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Markus Pius - 26 Oct 2015

We ambassadors of Christendom need not worry about offending or annoying anyone where we am certain it is necessary to make a political, spiritual/theological, or moral comment, no matter how drawn out or unnecessary it may seem to secularists.


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Küning Johannes - 27 Oct 2015

The gospel is offensive. That doesn't mean Christians need to make an effort to offend people (as much as possible, they should be at peace), but the message we bring inevitably will offend. That is simply the nature of it, when the holy Word of God confronts an unregenerate heart which is constrained to sin.

People will tell us to leave our faith at the church door, not to raise it in polite conversation, but that is not possible. The church is not a building. The church is the Body of Christ, and we do not cease being Christians.

And this "post-modern" world we live in teaches that all spiritual truths are a valid path (a teaching I see even many Christians succumb to), but this is dangerous teaching. There is only one truth. Everything else is the wide path to destruction. And the Word of God, coming from the Creator and sovereign Lord of our universe, has supreme authority over us in all matters whether we accept it or not.

So Christianity does come into everything because everything belongs to God.

Having said this, I'm completely lost in that "seven-month thoughts" thread. I don't know where it's going.


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Artemis Berry - 27 Oct 2015

Markus,

Looking on the "Kit's Thoughts" thread, and you practically calling everyone immoral for being an Atheist is not right at all. In your christian perspective, wouldn't the Lord Love Everyone? Matter what religion, beliefs, nationality, etc... they hold.

As Christopher said, "I also know many very intelligent, intellectual, and honorable atheists, not a few of whom are on this forum." I couldn't agree more with that statement, as it is perfectly true.

Your particular statement, "We ambassadors of Christendom need not worry about offending or annoying anyone where we am certain it is necessary to make a political, spiritual/theological, or moral comment, no matter how drawn out or unnecessary it may seem to secularists." Shouldn't you care for others as you have said before, "God cares for everyone."

Christianity, of course is a important for you and many others. However can you consider what the purpose of this forum and community is for?

Please bear this in mind.


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Markus Pius - 27 Oct 2015

(27 Oct 2015, 00:14:55)Dallin Langford Wrote: Looking on the "Kit's Thoughts" thread, and you practically calling everyone immoral for being an Atheist is not right at all.

I said this? Are you quite sure, ally?


RE: Religion debate from Kit's thoughts - Küning Johannes - 27 Oct 2015

All humans are naturally immoral beings, being under the federal headship of Adam and therefore born in a state of sin.

There is nothing of ourselves that we can do, even outwardly moral deeds, which are not tainted by our sin. We cannot reconcile ourselves to God.

But Christians are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, so his own righteousness is imputed to us, thereby reconciling us to God.

God hates sin and, as a perfect Judge, does not let it go unpunished. Either Christ has borne the penalty, in the case of those joined to Him by faith, or the sinner will be justly punished by God. Sinners without Christ have no hope whatsoever.

God has a special saving love for his Church as opposed to a common love for the rest of his creatures.

You cannot reject Christ and expect everything to be fine between you and God simply because that's your choice. If you are an unrepentant sinner, you are deservedly the subject of His wrath. The Judge is just to pass sentence on the guilty.