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(2 Jul 2015, 21:51:35)Emperor Patrick I of Paravia Wrote: I never said the 2nd amendment was bad. All I said was that it was originally made with the intention to prevent slaves from escaping, and that background checks are important. Also the main reason Japan never invaded the US was because most of the Imperial Japanese navy's aircraft carriers where sunk at the Battle of Midway, and therefore ment that Japan would have little to no air support if they where to invade America, and that they needed the carriers to protect against american carriers. Japan also had a plan to bomb american cities with chemical weapons from planes launched from submarine Aircraftcarriers.

In fact here is a full documentary about these submarine aircraft carriers.

But the Second Amendment certainly played a role in it as well. I wasn't talking about after Midway, I was talking about before Midway, in fact, in the first few weeks after Pearl Harbor. Japan could have followed up on that with attacking California. They certainly had the capability, as displayed in Pearl Harbor. But they thought that every man-jack over here had guns, and that's what stopped them and made them hesitate long enough for us to get our act together and build up our own navy.
 
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#32
Well said, Christopher.
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(2 Jul 2015, 21:51:35)Emperor Patrick I of Paravia Wrote: Also King John, I never said I wanted to disarm the American population. I said that background checks are important, how does it go from that to "HA HA I AM GOING TO TAKE YOU GUNS AWAY! MUWHAHAHAHA"

I was talking about the reasoning for the second amendment, and how background checks are an okay idea but don't affect the problem much, and how it was originally intended to prevent another hostile takeover of the U.S., and how that remark about "slavery patrol" was on such little of a basis that it was-- hilarious :D.

Now you are trying to change the scope of the argument;

Now you want to make yourself sound better by making me look like a foolish radical by claiming that I'm afraid you'll "take away my guns".

That is an ad hominem attack, and it makes for a pretty poor argument on your part.

Try again.
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(2 Jul 2015, 22:02:57)kingjohnthefirst Wrote: I was talking about the reasoning for the second amendment, and how background checks are an okay idea but don't affect the problem much, and how it was originally intended to prevent another hostile takeover of the U.S., and how that remark about "slavery patrol" was on such little of a basis that it was-- hilarious :D.
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#35
Highly-opinionated sources count as fiction. :)

So don't back up your argument with any "truth-seeking" guff, Fox News, MSNBC, Young Turks, or any other such garbage.
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(2 Jul 2015, 22:14:19)kingjohnthefirst Wrote: Highly-opinionated sources count as fiction. :)
If every source that had some sort of bias in it either way was disqualified there would be no non disqualified sources in the world good sir. :)
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#37
Just because every man is dishonest, doesn't mean there aren't any dishonestly honest men.
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#38
Patrick,

Lets get something straight before we go any further, because you are operating on a completely false assumption. The 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with slavery or slave patrols. The article that you are citing stating otherwise is blatently slanted and untrue. The concept of a well armed militia of private citizens with their own arms had been well established in what would become the United States since long before the institution of slavery was established in the south. for generations after the Constitution was ratified well regulated militias were the first line of defense for every state in the nation, and on the western frontier were essential for staying alive. One of the duties of a militia in the southern states would, indeed, have been to prevent a slave revolt, but these same militias also were a hardened fighting force that fought against the Creek, Cherokee, Shawnee, and British far more often than they put down slave risings. To say that the 2nd amendment was only established to keep people enslaved is ludicrous. Please remember that the American Revolution was more or less started by well regulated militias in New England fighting against the British at Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, and the Siege of Boston. Every state in the union had a militia, and every state encouraged it's men to keep and bear arms - often requiring service in the militias. This was for survival, not to keep a people in chains.

Most of what you have posted after this is a matter of opinion - one that I disagree with completely, but still, a matter of your own conscience. That cannot be helped, but to have you repeat numerous times that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is based on slavery when it is so objectively false is something that I feel I must correct.
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#39
Quote:dishonestly honest men.
That's called lying, not bias.
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(2 Jul 2015, 23:52:39)Ned 1st President of Nedland Wrote: That's called lying, not bias.

Bias = lying.
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