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Religion debate from Kit's thoughts
#41
(27 Oct 2015, 12:00:14)frix Wrote: I don't see anything wrong with saying that someone should not discuss religion in a non religious thread

That didn't seem to me to be what you were saying in the post I quoted.
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#42
(27 Oct 2015, 01:47:14)EarlPenda Wrote: Not only is your interpretation fanciful, but your facts are also wrong. The definite article is there: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-6.htm

That is not the original text. The original is in Aramic.
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#43
(27 Oct 2015, 15:22:30)Ogidius Wrote:
(27 Oct 2015, 01:47:14)EarlPenda Wrote: Not only is your interpretation fanciful, but your facts are also wrong. The definite article is there: http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-6.htm

That is not the original text. The original is in Aramic.

There's no record of the Gospel of John having been first written in Aramaic. Church tradition and biblical scholars concur that it was written in Greek.

That's not to say that St John didn't make a few drafts in Aramaic - he may well have done - but they weren't known about and we certainly don't have them today. What we do have is several very early manuscripts which without exception contain the definite article.
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#44
The original text is oral, and was spoken in Aramaic. There is no definite article in Aramaic. In Greek, on the other hand, it is hard to avoid.
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#45
This is pure speculation. But let's say Christ did speak the words "I am way, truth, and life" in Aramaic rather than Greek originally, even then the simple lack of a definite article in a language's grammar would not change the meaning of the words. He is still "way"; he is still "truth"; he is still "life". And if you are familiar with the entirety of the holy Scriptures, you will know that the meaning of this can be no other than how the Church has always interpreted it, which also in this case is a plain reading of the text.
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#46
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#47
Guys, seriously. Let his thread fall into inactivity. Then ignore any religious references in future. Giving a reaction only encourages them
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#48
(27 Oct 2015, 17:48:35)Ogidius Wrote: The original text is oral, and was spoken in Aramaic.

Christ probably did speak those words in Aramaic, yes, but "the original text" usually means the original text, not the words it recorded. :P
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#49
(27 Oct 2015, 19:36:48)Tsar Thomas I Wrote: Guys, seriously. Let his thread fall into inactivity. Then ignore any religious references in future. Giving a reaction only encourages them

You may regret this, Thomas. One of the reasons why I made this thread was to channel Markus's responses into this, and only this. Basically, this will (hopefully) be the one place where religion is talked about, leaving the rest of the forum free of it.

I'm almost starting to get the impression that those who want Markus to stop think I'm on their side. I'm not. I saw a problem, I'm trying to fix it, as well as I know how. Far as I know, both sides are at fault. If, however, it seems that this has done nothing but make people even more agitated, then yes, it would be better to shut this down.

In the meantime...

As I stated before, bringing Christianity into everything is perhaps not such a good idea. For did Jesus not say, Markus, "Don't throw pearls to the swine?" (No offense to any of you fine people, I just thought I could reach him best that way.) However, if you try to live as a Christian should, then everyone would see your acts, and think, "He's a Christian. But see what a good man he is. Perhaps there is something in Christianity after all." I am not saying that there is anything wrong with being Christian. How could I? No, I'm simply saying that when someone asks you to stop preaching, for heaven's sake (no irony) STOP PREACHING!!! The reason why I said no irony is because if, Markus, you continue even after they have asked you to stop then their hearts will simply be hardened against the True Faith, no matter how much you throw at them.
 
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#50
Truly, the fact that we have such hostility only shows that Christendom needs to be more involved in the community's affairs in curtailing these "Christian" schismatics who are posting racist comments in Skype rooms, and persecuting one another.

If names and specific examples of foul language can be provided to us, the Holy Office of the Apostolic Church of New Israel can begin a formal ecclesiastical investigation into any Christians responsible.
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