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Discussion/Debate Hour with Brendan: Anti-Judaiam Protestensts and their faith.
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(12 Mar 2016, 22:24:59)EarlPenda Wrote: I don't believe the Jews can be called the "chosen of the Lord". I am not a dispensationalist, as many modern Protestants (especially Americans) are.

The "chosen of the Lord", or the elect, describes those people who are saved in any age. As someone who accepts covenant theology, I believe in the continuity of the Old Testament Church and the New Testament Church (one covenant of grace with two administrations). Today the chosen of the Lord are Christians, both Jew and Gentile.

However, as in classical Protestantism, I do believe in a future conversion of the generality of the Jewish nation, who will be grafted back in to the Church.

I certainly condemn groups such as the KKK and would say they are not Christians, since the evidence of their actions gives us no reason to believe they are what they say they are.

Jews have been destined to inherit Israel. The Bible clearly says so.
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(12 Mar 2016, 03:04:34)Brendan OBrien I Wrote: ...

I'm a Protestant Christian from the South.
Martin Luther King Jr. was a Protestant Christian from the South; so I would have to side with Mr. King on this one.
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(12 Mar 2016, 22:30:07)Brendan OBrien I Wrote:
(12 Mar 2016, 22:24:59)EarlPenda Wrote: I don't believe the Jews can be called the "chosen of the Lord". I am not a dispensationalist, as many modern Protestants (especially Americans) are.

The "chosen of the Lord", or the elect, describes those people who are saved in any age. As someone who accepts covenant theology, I believe in the continuity of the Old Testament Church and the New Testament Church (one covenant of grace with two administrations). Today the chosen of the Lord are Christians, both Jew and Gentile.

However, as in classical Protestantism, I do believe in a future conversion of the generality of the Jewish nation, who will be grafted back in to the Church.

I certainly condemn groups such as the KKK and would say they are not Christians, since the evidence of their actions gives us no reason to believe they are what they say they are.

Jews have been destined to inherit Israel. The Bible clearly says so.

Sure but killing non Jews (Palestinians) isn't right.
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(17 Mar 2016, 02:16:08)President Alejandro Valentino Wrote: Sure but killing non Jews (Palestinians) isn't right.

"Thou shalt not kill." - 6 Commandment of the Ten Commandments.

I think that is pretty clear that it means killing of anyone is wrong and can result in serious sin and a large repentance process.
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(17 Mar 2016, 03:12:18)Dallin Langford Wrote:
(17 Mar 2016, 02:16:08)President Alejandro Valentino Wrote: Sure but killing non Jews (Palestinians) isn't right.

"Thou shalt not kill." - 6 Commandment of the Ten Commandments.

I think that is pretty clear that it means killing of anyone is wrong and can result in serious sin and a large repentance process.

Very true indeed.
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(17 Mar 2016, 02:16:08)President Alejandro Valentino Wrote: Sure but killing non Jews (Palestinians) isn't right.

Palestine's parliament is controlled by a terrorist organization called Hamas. Palestine is not a peaceful state, and frankly, they have no right to have a "country" in Jewish territory.

(17 Mar 2016, 03:12:18)Dallin Langford Wrote: "Thou shalt not kill." - 6 Commandment of the Ten Commandments.

I think that is pretty clear that it means killing of anyone is wrong and can result in serious sin and a large repentance process.

In context, "kill" means murder. In a just war, a soldier can lawfully kill an enemy. A State can lawfully execute a murderer, a rapist, or a terrorist, and this is justified as well.

Also, I understand what you mean (I'm sure you agree that killing is sometimes justified), but murder does not "result in serious sin", it is a serious sin, and becomes a sin as soon as it is committed. :)
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(18 Mar 2016, 22:15:28)Emperor Markus II Wrote:
(17 Mar 2016, 02:16:08)President Alejandro Valentino Wrote: Sure but killing non Jews (Palestinians) isn't right.

Palestine's parliament is controlled by a terrorist organization called Hamas. Palestine is not a peaceful state, and frankly, they have no right to have a "country" in Jewish territory.

(17 Mar 2016, 03:12:18)Dallin Langford Wrote: "Thou shalt not kill." - 6 Commandment of the Ten Commandments.

I think that is pretty clear that it means killing of anyone is wrong and can result in serious sin and a large repentance process.

In context, "kill" means murder. In a just war, a soldier can lawfully kill an enemy. A State can lawfully execute a murderer, a rapist, or a terrorist, and this is justified as well.

Also, I understand what you mean (I'm sure you agree that killing is sometimes justified), but murder does not "result in serious sin", it is a serious sin, and becomes a sin as soon as it is committed. :)

Funny how you call Hamas "terrorists" so basically it is ok for people to invade a country that already had a government and citizens there and kill them off and or push them out. Palestine was a peaceful nation till the so called "Israelis" came along. But even way before all of this both Jews AND Palestinians/Arabs lived in peace at one point. Don't be so biased by choosing one side and not wanting to listen to the other side's story. There are always two sides to a story and both sides should be heard. I am sure you believe that Al-Qaeda took down the towers too -_-

Those "terrorists" were basically trying to defend their homeland and homes from an invader. Wouldn't you defend New Israel if I don't know say the Communitarian army invaded your land? Not saying that I will actually invade, just using that as an example.
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Markus, the Israel-Palestine conflict is basically like the international community one day deciding to give all of the southern US to the Japanese, as repayment for internment camps, and then expel all the Americans living there. Then for the newly formed JST (Japanese southern states) to invade the rest of America, kicking out all Americans living in the territories they conquer, and expect the Americans not to fight back. And if they do fight back, they somehow become the terrorists...
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(19 Mar 2016, 08:00:47)Emperor Patrick I of Paravia Wrote: Markus, the Israel-Palestine conflict is basically like the international community one day deciding to give all of the southern US to the Japanese, as repayment for internment camps, and then expel all the Americans living there. Then for the newly formed JST (Japanese southern states) to invade the rest of America, kicking out all Americans living in the territories they conquer, and expect the Americans not to fight back. And if they do fight back, they somehow become the terrorists...

Well said.
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Should I get into this? I'm terrified of being picked on for being an actual Jew (liberal), who supports the two-state solution. Seeing as you can't get rid of either side now.
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