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Communism
#11
(23 Jul 2017, 11:21:51)Greater Ridd Wrote:
(22 Jul 2017, 04:48:33)Kounotori Wrote: 1984.

Was written by a socialist.
Um.....no.  While George Orwell was known to hate both fascism and communism, he clearly saw communism as a greater evil.  This can be seen in his book Animal Farm which satirizes the communist revolution in Russia and the Stalinist era.
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#12
(23 Jul 2017, 15:05:34)Tommy Dick Wrote:
(23 Jul 2017, 11:21:51)Greater Ridd Wrote:
(22 Jul 2017, 04:48:33)Kounotori Wrote: 1984.

Was written by a socialist.
Um.....no.  While George Orwell was known to hate both fascism and communism, he clearly saw communism as a greater evil.  This can be seen in his book Animal Farm which satirizes the communist revolution in Russia and the Stalinist era.

Um.....yes. Animal Farm was about Stalin's betrayal of the Russian revolution and something of a warning against the dangers of totalitarianism. Anti-Stalinist yes (which is not exactly difficult), anti-Socialist no.
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#13
(23 Jul 2017, 15:21:16)Greater Ridd Wrote:
(23 Jul 2017, 15:05:34)Tommy Dick Wrote:
(23 Jul 2017, 11:21:51)Greater Ridd Wrote:
(22 Jul 2017, 04:48:33)Kounotori Wrote: 1984.

Was written by a socialist.
Um.....no.  While George Orwell was known to hate both fascism and communism, he clearly saw communism as a greater evil.  This can be seen in his book Animal Farm which satirizes the communist revolution in Russia and the Stalinist era.

Um.....yes. Animal Farm was about Stalin's betrayal of the Russian revolution and something of a warning against the dangers of totalitarianism. Anti-Stalinist yes (which is not exactly difficult), anti-Socialist no.
Yes, George Orwell wasn't anti-socialist, but I wouldn't place his views as socialist either.
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#14
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it."
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#15
Orwell was an interesting man. He did, indeed, believe whole heartedly in Socialism and some of its lesser perversions and corruptions. So much so that he fought for the communists in the Spanish Civil War and served with both anarchist and Stalinist units. It was while fighting in Spain where he saw first hand the actual application of communism, Stalinism, anarchy, and all of the other corrupt subsets of that vile ideology. He continued to fight for the ideals of democratic socialism that he held dear, but after what he experienced in Spain he had no illusions of how socialism, in practice, would be perverted and corrupted into the wickedness we saw in the world during the mid 20th century. Animal Farm was written as a direct result of these experiences, and while yes, it is an allegory on the dangers of totalitarianism betraying and taking over what would be thought of as a just revolution, it also acknowledges the virtual impossibility of a revolution remaining just and uncorrupted. While focused on Stalinism, it was not aimed at Stalin himself... it was aimed at all revolutionaries and emphasized the razors edge that they walk between righteousness and corruption.

There is a reason why Orwell remained in Britain after his experiences in Spain, and why he remained a British Patriot, serving during WWII. He saw socialism for what it was - a beautiful idea that could never truly be implemented due to the corruption and vice of those in power. His book "Homage to Catalonia" is a memoir of his service in Spain and details his disillusionment with communism, anarchism, and everything else, and describes how he went from being a true believer to a cynic. It led directly into "Animal Farm" and if you have not read it, please do. You will see Orwell's works in a new light.
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#16
(23 Jul 2017, 11:21:51)Greater Ridd Wrote:
(22 Jul 2017, 04:48:33)Kounotori Wrote: 1984.

Was written by a socialist.

He had a dog called Marx.
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#17
I didn't thought that thing would go that far...
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#18
(23 Jul 2017, 17:50:22)ThegnSiarFordell Wrote: Orwell was an interesting man. He did, indeed, believe whole heartedly in Socialism and some of its lesser perversions and corruptions. So much so that he fought for the communists in the Spanish Civil War and served with both anarchist and Stalinist units. It was while fighting in Spain where he saw first hand the actual application of communism, Stalinism, anarchy, and all of the other corrupt subsets of that vile ideology. He continued to fight for the ideals of democratic socialism that he held dear, but after what he experienced in Spain he had no illusions of how socialism, in practice, would be perverted and corrupted into the wickedness we saw in the world during the mid 20th century. Animal Farm was written as a direct result of these experiences, and while yes, it is an allegory on the dangers of totalitarianism betraying and taking over what would be thought of as a just revolution, it also acknowledges the virtual impossibility of a revolution remaining just and uncorrupted. While focused on Stalinism, it was not aimed at Stalin himself... it was aimed at all revolutionaries and emphasized the razors edge that they walk between righteousness and corruption.

There is a reason why Orwell remained in Britain after his experiences in Spain, and why he remained a British Patriot, serving during WWII. He saw socialism for what it was - a beautiful idea that could never truly be implemented due to the corruption and vice of those in power. His book "Homage to Catalonia" is a memoir of his service in Spain and details his disillusionment with communism, anarchism, and everything else, and describes how he went from being a true believer to a cynic. It led directly into "Animal Farm" and if you have not read it, please do. You will see Orwell's works in a new light.

I've read it many times, it's my second favourite book (after 1984). It's probably the basis for a lot of my political opinions.
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#19
1. Communism is the worst ideology and a complete failure.

2. Your "War on Communism" is probably just Memetic Warfare.
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#20
Everyone who's saying they aren't fans of communism, say more than just that you don't like it. Actually make an argument. Most people don't like communism, that's not a massive point on its own. If you want to bring something to the discussion, say a little more about what you don't like and why.
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