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Modernism vs Postmodernism
#1
I've come back to talk about Modernism and Postmodernism just so I can get the two differentiated.  Let's start with the differences.

  1. Modernism is for Individualism, Postmodernism is Pro-Collectivism.
  2. Modernism is Pro-Capitalism, Postmodernism is Pro-Socialist.
  3. Modernism seeks for Objective Truth, Postmodernism does not accept the existence of Objective Truth
  4. Modernism originated in the Late 19th Century and is mainly an Early 20th Century movement, usually I associate Modernism with the 1950s, but that's not really my point.  Postmodernism on the other hand is mainly Late 20th and an Early 21st Century ideology.
Well, what do you think about Modernism and Postmodernism.  I don't agree with all of the Modernist ideas, for example I think modern art is garbage.  The ideas of Objective Truth, Individualism, and Laissez Faire Capitalism.
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#2
In the past there was an over generalization and lumping of Modernism and Postmodernism together, so I wanted to clear things up.
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#3
Given a choice between the two, and based on how you described each, I will lean more towards the modernist side.
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(23 Aug 2017, 21:13:43)RepublicofSmithvilleGovernment Wrote: I've come back to talk about Modernism and Postmodernism just so I can get the two differentiated.  Let's start with the differences.

  1. Modernism is for Individualism, Postmodernism is Pro-Collectivism.
  2. Modernism is Pro-Capitalism, Postmodernism is Pro-Socialist.
  3. Modernism seeks for Objective Truth, Postmodernism does not accept the existence of Objective Truth
  4. Modernism originated in the Late 19th Century and is mainly an Early 20th Century movement, usually I associate Modernism with the 1950s, but that's not really my point.  Postmodernism on the other hand is mainly Late 20th and an Early 21st Century ideology.
Well, what do you think about Modernism and Postmodernism.  I don't agree with all of the Modernist ideas, for example I think modern art is garbage.  The ideas of Objective Truth, Individualism, and Laissez Faire Capitalism.
You need to add Pre-Modernism as a choice, based on your definitions I am Postmodernist because it can be used and abused to benefit my cause, something modernism does not.
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#5
I dont beleve post-modernism must be left wing. You can be right wing but collectivist and anti-capitalist.
#6
(24 Aug 2017, 06:56:01)Iron Lord Daniel Dankovsky Wrote: I dont beleve post-modernism must be left wing. You can be right wing but collectivist and anti-capitalist.

Well, no, you really can't. While I will agree that you don't have to be left-wing to be Post-Modern, and that a Right-Wing individual can agree with some post-modern ideas, but to be collectivist and anti-capitalist goes against everything that it means to be right-wing... I mean, without those ideals, what Right-Wing principals would you actually agree with? If you're collectivist and anti-capitalist, then you're a socialist, and there are no right-wing socialists (well... maybe in Europe)
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#7
(24 Aug 2017, 16:00:05)ThegnSiarFordell Wrote: Well, no, you really can't. While I will agree that you don't have to be left-wing to be Post-Modern, and that a Right-Wing individual can agree with some post-modern ideas, but to be collectivist and anti-capitalist goes against everything that it means to be right-wing... I mean, without those ideals, what Right-Wing principals would you actually agree with? If you're collectivist and anti-capitalist, then you're a socialist, and there are no right-wing socialists (well... maybe in Europe)

There are other economic principles that are not capitalist that some right-wing groups support. Before the French Revolution Free Market Capitalism was a left-wing ideal of the time. This is because Feudal economies were fundamentally Anti-Capitalist because they are focused on privileges that a group (Nobility) only has the rights to land ownership and other economic benefits that a true free market would not allow. The other right-wing economic system is a form of cronyism that both Feudalist and some Dictators use throughout history. In which it is a form of intentional economic elitism. There is also State Capitalism under monarchical governments where certain enterprises exists to enrich the state with its profits.

Also Collectivism can also mean social collectivism which is what social conservatism is.
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#8
Can I say that the term "postmodern" is kinda silly? Think about it: "modern" means now, not in the sense of the current age we are living in, but in the sense that the age is current, if that makes any sense. Every other civilization called the period they lived in modern. Thinking about it that way, "postmodern" would mean after now. So we are currently in an age after the current age? I think we can agree this makes no sense.

But I'm getting distracted from the line of conversation this has taken. I just wanted to point out that odd little thing.
 
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#10
If that's so, I think I'd like to go back to the past. At least then, I knew where I was.
 


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